Comments on: Trashed http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/ Online magazine for Indian Americans in the Bay Area Mon, 21 May 2012 15:29:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Annie http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/comment-page-1/#comment-4154 Annie Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:00:23 +0000 http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/#comment-4154 not good people well do that i hate people that do that :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: not good people well do that i hate people that do that :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

]]> By: Madhav http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/comment-page-1/#comment-213 Madhav Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:15:29 +0000 http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/#comment-213 Arvind, you make a forceful point - we adults should stop assuming that teenagers will be unable to stop themselves from translating their joy for virtual gaming violence into reality. This is similar to the point that Divya made in her article about parenting - arguing that a child is able to differenciate false praise from true. Reasons for teen violence are many - being constantly exposed to real violence or abuse at home or in the neighbourhood, mixing with wrong company,...but those reasons are real, not virtual. I'd rather see teenagers vent their adolescent emotions on imaginary enemies than real ones. Arvind, you make a forceful point – we adults should stop assuming that teenagers will be unable to stop themselves from translating their joy for virtual gaming violence into reality. This is similar to the point that Divya made in her article about parenting – arguing that a child is able to differenciate false praise from true.
Reasons for teen violence are many – being constantly exposed to real violence or abuse at home or in the neighbourhood, mixing with wrong company,…but those reasons are real, not virtual.
I’d rather see teenagers vent their adolescent emotions on imaginary enemies than real ones.

]]> By: R.S.Venkataraman. http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/comment-page-1/#comment-203 R.S.Venkataraman. Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:35:07 +0000 http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/#comment-203 Apologies; I am late again. In a number of violent crimes like kidnapping an innocent child,a friend or a minor and killing them, a jewellery heist and murdering an old person in his house for money, the perpetrators were students,some of them hailing from affluent families,and, in their startling confessions they revealed that they were inspired to commit the crimes in the manner they did, by some movie or TV serial. The pernicious proclivity for such evil deeds has been unobtrusively sown in their minds by the gruesome depiction of violence of all kinds in the movies/ serials/ video games. I feel this is no longer a mere theory but a proven fact. I am profoundly interested to see what you have to say about how to counter this problem. Sincere compliments to you for the well written article. Love, Thaatha. Apologies; I am late again. In a number of violent crimes like kidnapping an innocent child,a friend or a minor and killing them, a jewellery heist and murdering an old person in his house for money, the perpetrators were students,some of them hailing from affluent families,and, in their startling confessions they revealed that they were inspired to commit the crimes in the manner they did, by some movie or TV serial. The pernicious proclivity for such evil deeds has been unobtrusively sown in their minds by the gruesome depiction of violence of all kinds in the movies/ serials/ video games. I feel this is no longer a mere theory but a proven fact. I am profoundly interested to see what you have to say about how to counter this problem. Sincere compliments to you for the well written article. Love, Thaatha.

]]> By: RSV SUBRAMANIAN http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/comment-page-1/#comment-195 RSV SUBRAMANIAN Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:27:17 +0000 http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/#comment-195 Arvind, You have extra-ordinary skills in persuasive communication. The soft focus you put violence in and the subtle detachment of the perpetrator from his own irresponsibility are however hardly deserving of your skills. Certainly I admire your writing. You could shape up to be a great writer, attorney and politician all rolled into one. America is fortunate. By the way what are haggis? Mani Chithappa Arvind,
You have extra-ordinary skills in persuasive communication. The soft focus you put violence in and the subtle detachment of the perpetrator from his own irresponsibility are however hardly deserving of your skills.
Certainly I admire your writing. You could shape up to be a great writer, attorney and politician all rolled into one. America is fortunate.
By the way what are haggis?
Mani Chithappa

]]> By: Ranju http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/comment-page-1/#comment-194 Ranju Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:36:35 +0000 http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/#comment-194 While the main point of the article is that the school you go to doesn't influence "the violence index", I found it interesting that you thought that violent online games are similarly non-impactful. ("In fact, the prevailing theory is that it fosters a mindset of violence in my generation.") It always strikes me how easy it is to kill someone without serious consequence in these online games (Game over is not impactful enough.) It isn't hard to carry the no-consequence thinking into reality. We now not only have the ability to cause mass destruction with our stockpile of missiles and such, we now have a generation of folks mentally conditioned to do so without considering the consequences because of their vast experience with game-playing. A dangerous mindset; and its not just stupid people that fall for it, IMO. Violence is a fact of life for sure. But it doesn't have to be something you have easy access to, for a couple hours a day, everyday. I'd prefer that war games be restricted to soldiers as part of their training package, at least they also have the associated physical exercises and maneuvers that rounds off their military education. But then again, what do I know? I'm just a parent :-) Oh, nice article BTW. While the main point of the article is that the school you go to doesn’t influence “the violence index”, I found it interesting that you thought that violent online games are similarly non-impactful. (”In fact, the prevailing theory is that it fosters a mindset of violence in my generation.”)
It always strikes me how easy it is to kill someone without serious consequence in these online games (Game over is not impactful enough.) It isn’t hard to carry the no-consequence thinking into reality. We now not only have the ability to cause mass destruction with our stockpile of missiles and such, we now have a generation of folks mentally conditioned to do so without considering the consequences because of their vast experience with game-playing. A dangerous mindset; and its not just stupid people that fall for it, IMO.
Violence is a fact of life for sure. But it doesn’t have to be something you have easy access to, for a couple hours a day, everyday.
I’d prefer that war games be restricted to soldiers as part of their training package, at least they also have the associated physical exercises and maneuvers that rounds off their military education.
But then again, what do I know? I’m just a parent :-)
Oh, nice article BTW.

]]> By: Jaya Murthy http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/comment-page-1/#comment-193 Jaya Murthy Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:58:30 +0000 http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/#comment-193 Good points made, Arvind. What worries me though is the obsessive addiction to these games. Perhaps they should include commands like "now go have a bath" to achieve the next rank! Good points made, Arvind. What worries me though is the obsessive addiction to these games. Perhaps they should include commands like “now go have a bath” to achieve the next rank!

]]> By: Anand http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/comment-page-1/#comment-191 Anand Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:14:15 +0000 http://waternoice.com/2007/10/24/trashed/#comment-191 Well said Arvind, many congratulations! Another wonderful, well written and insightful piece from you. You are bang on when you mention upbringing and attitude towards life as key factors influencing the behavior of juniors, not to mention the world at large. Would be interested to know how your school handled this episode, for therein lies the seed for redemption for these two youngsters and other juniors with similar mindsets. Once again, well written, and do keep them coming. Cheers! Anand Well said Arvind, many congratulations! Another wonderful, well written and insightful piece from you. You are bang on when you mention upbringing and attitude towards life as key factors influencing the behavior of juniors, not to mention the world at large. Would be interested to know how your school handled this episode, for therein lies the seed for redemption for these two youngsters and other juniors with similar mindsets.

Once again, well written, and do keep them coming.

Cheers!

Anand

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